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Scarlett Johansson, prepared to kick ass (Photo courtesy of The Daily Mail)
Despite the fact that right-wingers firmly believe that Hollywood is controlled by socialist/communist gay and lesbian pornographers, the truth is that, like most rich folks, rich Hollywood execs tend to be pretty conservative. Sure, some directors, actors, etc. are liberal, absolutely; but do you think the (American) folks in charge of Sony or Disney or other big multimedia companies are liberals? Ha, it is to laugh!
I mention this as a prelude to my main theme here: The fact that these conservative, hide-bound, and almost-certainly sexist media execs refuse to green-light big summer movie projects starring women. My particular peeve is with the huge increase in comic-book super-hero movies, which are getting the biggest bucks and most attention right now and where the problem is especially acute, but feel free to extend it to basically every other movie genre.
This topic has come up in the media (finally!) in the wake of the release of Joss Whedon’s “Avengers: Age of Ultron”, a huge hit (apparently). For those who don’t know, Whedon is very vocal about being a feminist, and is widely regarded as a writer of strong female characters, and is generally the go-to person for nerds to point at as an example of a man who is bucking the sexist trend in the nerd (comic books, sci-fi, and the movies based thereon) culture. While this is perhaps true in broad outline, I think Leah Schnelbach does a great job deconstructing this claim (on the Tor.com site), without being at all unfair or doctrinaire as so many folks can get on this topic.
However, Whedon is taking some flack on this particular film because of his treatment of the character of Black Widow, played by Scarlett Johansson. For just a quick recap of the arguments: There have been 11 “Marvel Cinematic Universe” (MCU) comic-book films, of which all have starred men, often multiple men. These films rarely pass the Bechdel test (if ever); the presentation of the women in group/team posters is significantly different from that for men; women characters are often treated as plot devices or standard tropes (the damsel in distress, for example); and on and on. It’s pretty ridiculous.
Gee, what do you think they’re trying to draw your attention to?
(Photo courtesy of Zimbio)
(I will here make a brief nod to the TV end of things, where there are a few more solid characters: Peggy Carter (with remarkably her own show); Karen Page, Claire Temple, and Vanessa Marianna in Daredevil; Skye, May, & Bobby in Agents of SHIELD. And DC has the wonderful Felicity Smoak in Arrow, a character so awesome they keep having her show up in their other series, The Flash.)
Specifically to the most recent MCU film “Avengers: Age of Ultron”, the one true strong female character is Black Widow, played by Scarlett Johansson. And as Leah Schnelbach points out in the post referenced above, while Black Widow has now been in four MCU films, hers is the only character who takes time out of a film to lament how she can never be a parent. Thor doesn’t whine about whether or not to be a daddy, nor does Samuel L. Jackson’s Nick Fury, Tony Stark, or anyone else (though Captain America laments not getting to dance with Peggy Carter during World War II). She is the only Avenger whose character is defined—and only in this film!—in terms of her sexuality and gender.
Now, if there were as lot of interesting female characters in the MCU, maybe we could give this one a pass. Or if Black Widow was about to get her own film, as nearly every other Avenger has (hell, Ant Man is getting his own film before he becomes one!). I mean, geez, Hulk has had, what, two (really bad) films? Captain America has had two with another one coming. Thor has had two; Iron Man three. Black Widow? None. With none on the horizon. And if that isn’t bad enough, there isn’t even a female-starring MCU film planned until 2018 . . . eight more films down the line. A second film about the Guardians of the Galaxy, a property that hardly anyone gave a damn about, sure (which, to be fair, was a film I enjoyed a lot); another Captain America film, another Avengers film, yet another reboot of the Spider-man franchise, even. But a film about Black Widow? Heavens, no; that’s a terrible idea!
Do we really need another one? (Photo courtesy of Wibblyspider on DeviantArt)
One could argue, and some do, that female-led super-hero movies don’t make money. But if you take a gander at the hacked emails by the studio execs, who complain about “Supergirl”, a bomb from 30 years ago, it’s pretty clear we’re dealing with nothing but blatant sexism here. After all, way more male-centered super-hero movies have bombed than female-centered ones. That’s sexism, kids.
And not only is it sexist, in the case of Black Widow—a well-established character played by a bankable actress that the public is actually asking for—it’s downright stupid. Let me just run a few facts by you, here:
- Black Widow has now been in four MCU movies and has actually established a considerable fan-base; there are fan sites, a twitter hash tag, a Change.org petition, etc. etc.
- The Motley Fool does a good job pointing out the factual basis for expecting a positive result from a Black Widow film.
- There have been far more giant flops in big Super Hero films starring men than those starring women. Seven vs. three, if memory serves. And it’s important to note that films like “Catwoman” genuinely stunk.
- Scarlett Johansson is almost ridiculously bankable.
Let me throw you some numbers on that last point. And this is where it connects to my opening about folks on the right, which is: The right-wing simply can’t do math. (I did several posts about this on Salon which I will re-post here at some point but in the meantime, take my word for it. Two words: Laffer curve.)
They just can’t do math; don’t blame me! (photo courtesy of Democratic Underground)
- Luc Besson is a director with a lengthy Hollywood career, and whose biggest film up until last year was “The Fifth Element”, starring Bruce Willis, Gary Oldman, Milla Jovovich, and (God save us) Chris Tucker. On a budget of $93 million it made $263.9 million, or $170.9 million. His newest biggest film? “Lucy”, starring Scarlett Johansson; on a budget of $40 million it made $458.9 million, or $418.9 million.
- Films with Scarlett Johansson have made a total of $2.393 billion dollars domestically, and a brain-melting $5.844 billion world-wide. “Well, okay,” I hear you say; “But she hasn’t starred in all those, some are ensemble films that made tons of money. How does that compare to male stars?” I’m glad you asked! Let’s look at the money with regard to those who have been in big budget films themselves. (Figures from Box Office Mojo)
- Chris Hemsworth (Thor): $1.622 billion
- Andrew Garfield (Spider-man): $587 million
- Tobey Maguire (also Spider-man): $1.535 billion
- Chris Pratt (“Star-lord”): $848 million
- Chris Evans (Captain America): $1.909 billion
- Paul Rudd: $1.143 billion
- Ahnuld: $1.794 billion (!)
- Harrison Ford: $3.925 billion
- Bruce Willis: $3.186 billion
- Brad Pitt: $2.610 billion
- And those comparisons are apples to apples—lifetime totals of all films made by folks who have starred in blockbusters. (I could do it in dollars adjusted for ticket price inflation but trust me, other than with Ahnuld, it doesn’t make a lot of difference in demonstrating the basic point.) When you look at those comparisons, also consider this: Bruce Willis is 60, Schwarzenegger is 67, Harrison Ford is 72, heck even Brad Pitt is 51. Johansson is 30. 30! You’ve got to think she’s going to blow those other guys out of the water by the time she gets to 40, let alone 60.
- Speaking of “well known”; I like Paul Rudd as much as the next guy, but he’s not exactly Bruce Willis or Ahnuld or even Brad Pitt when it comes to big, summer, “tent-pole” action/adventure extravaganzas, is he? Had anyone heard of Chris Hemsworth before they handed him “Thor”? Eric Bana before he made “Hulk”? While Chris Evans was not exactly unknown, he wasn’t a household name either when they made him Captain America. And what about those total unknowns they handed Superman’s cape to? On the other hand, Johansson is well know, with a huge built-in fan base. How is a film starring her as a (now) well-known character more of a risk than “Guardians of the Galaxy” starring Chris Pratt or “Ant-Man” starring Paul Rudd? I mean, c’mon!
So honestly, given all this, ask yourself two things: Can the lack of female-starring big-budget movies be anything other than sexism, and can the lack of a big-budget, Johansson-starring Black Widow movie be anything other than profoundly stupid sexism?
I think you all know what my answer is.
Yeah, you got it (Poster courtesy of LemonPunch on Tumblr)
So there it is, you dim-witted, right-wing, major studio honchos (and you, Kevin Feige, you bonehead): Women can make you tons of money. It’s only your backwards attitudes that’re stopping it. Get a grip and start making those movies!
Let’s be honest here: Before The Avengers I would have said that a Black Widow movie is a bad idea because it was a pretty unknown character. After The Avengers, this changed. Now a Black Widow movie is pretty much a no-brainer and I wonder why Marvel is not pouncing on it. Sexism? Maybe. But rumors are that there were scripts for a movie written, so Marvel at least thought about it.
I wonder about SJ contract. with most actors it is known for how many movies they signed up, but she has always been very tight-lipped about it. And let’s be honest here, she would make more sense for a “first” female lead Superhero movie than Captain Marvel.
Less well-know after her appearance in Iron Man 2 than Guardians of the Galaxy or Ant Man? And Johansson was certainly better known before The Avengers than Paul Rudd is now or Chris Pratt was in 2013. Heck, even now I can’t remember the guy who starred in the Daredevil TV series, but they risked a bucketload of money on him.
I’m being dead honest: Studios are clearly willing to risk money on men (especially white, straing, cis-gendered men), while even in the current Black Widow “no brainer” situation, not on women. Especially in light of the leaked Sony emails, it’s hard to draw any conclusion other than sexism.
Black Widow was not well-received after Iron Man 2. For one, the movie is considered one of the weakest in the franchise. Two, popular scapegoat for that was the inclusion of Black Widow aka “all this tie-in stuff for the sake of the larger universe”. And Three, she was an awful character back then, mostly there for Tony to google with one single action girl fight scene in the end. Guardians of the Galaxy was a calculated risk – as is ant man btw. Personally I think that after The Avengers, Marvel can get away with more or less anything, and GotG was the test balloon they send off to test the theory.
I am not disagreeing with you that studios have an idiotic view on the issue. While I find it difficult to judge the leaked mail out of context (it is not really clear if it mean that the movies they mentioned are a disaster in terms of box office or quality), there should have been a Wonder Woman years ago and the X-Men movies shouldn’t have marginalized the female characters the way they did.
I am just saying that in this particular case there might be behind the scenes reasons in addition to the usual hesitation.
“Black Widow was not well-received after Iron Man 2.” Can you tell me what you’re basing that on? Personally I found her to be the best thing about that whole movie (along with Tony Stark designing and creating a new element, which just appealed to the science nerd in me), but that is just one man’s opinion. What is causing you to draw that conclusion?
I’m sure you’re right in that there are behind-the-scenes things going on as well. Frankly, my personal favorite theory is “Money”. i.e., “She wants $20 million for a Black Widow movie? Hell with her!” Of course, they’d pony that up for a “big star” if the star were male and they viewed him as key–one wonders how much they’re paying Harrison Ford for the next Star Wars movie–but a woman? No way.
This is an awesome bit of writing. I would love a Black Widow movie. I just hope studio execs begin to take notice of the growing calls for change within the business! If you like Scarlet Johansson I would really recommend seeing Under The Skin, she is amazing in it. I reviewed it here if you are interested. https://slatethesilverscreen.wordpress.com/2015/05/13/black-widow-fur-is-the-new-catsuit-aka-under-the-skin/
Thank you; appreciate the compliment.
I did watch “Under the Skin”, and while I thought Johansson was great, I couldn’t stand the movie. I absolutely detested it. I can understand people liking it–in many ways it reminded me of Tarkovsky’s “Solaris”, another film I simply can’t stand, but that I acknowledge has appeal to the right audience even though that audience isn’t me. “Under the Skin” may or may not be a “good” film, but it’s not for me. “Ex Machina”, though, yes. I kept wishing Johansson had been one of the robots.
And alas, the studio execs have stated explicitly they’re not going to do a Black Widow movie. Kevin Feige, the guiding light of the MCU, made a statement, but it’s one of the biggest pieces of BS rationalization I’ve seen in a while. You can read about it at . “it’s about bringing new characters to the screen. Black Widow couldn’t be more important as an Avenger, herself. And like Hulk, the Avengers films will be the films where they play a primary role,” he said. “Her part in Avengers: Age of Ultron is very, very big. And further develops and further enhances her character. The plans that we have for her throughout the rest of the Avengers saga is very, very big, and linchpin, in fact, to those films. So instead of taking her out [of] there, or instead of doing a prequel, which we haven’t done yet, [we’re] continuing the forward momentum of the continuity of the cinematic universe of which Widow is a key, key part.” Right, right; like they have to do an origin story for her, like that’s the only way to do a first film. Like no one can write her backstory into a new film creatively. Uh huh.
No, not buying it. Sounds like BS to me.
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